Superman wrote :

shakin steak wrote :


I also agree, Superman. But that still doesn't explain why they don't understand their own characters enough to figure out that very basic info. It seems like they are just greedy and going for the cash, you can't make a good product that way. Especially in entertainment. Maybe it's because Stan Lee is still here and producing Marvel's stuff. Who does DC have working on movies, in the way of recognizable names that have been with the company forever?  -end quote

Does Stan Lee (or anybody who actually worked in the comic industry) have any creative input in the Marvel movies, though? I was under the impression that Kevin Feige (who is a film producer) was the main force behind the movies. The same is likely true of the DC films, though I have seen Geoff Johns (a comic book writer who has written a ton of DC Comics) credited in the movies. The question is, though, how much of a voice does he have? I think people who are actually involved in the comics may be used for consultation purposes for all of these movies, but film producers and directors have a much bigger voice than people who have actually worked in the comic industry. Marvel's movies just happen to have a better person filling that role of producer.

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Vaporman87 wrote :

Superman wrote :

shakin steak wrote :



I also agree, Superman. But that still doesn't explain why they don't understand their own characters enough to figure out that very basic info. It seems like they are just greedy and going for the cash, you can't make a good product that way. Especially in entertainment. Maybe it's because Stan Lee is still here and producing Marvel's stuff. Who does DC have working on movies, in the way of recognizable names that have been with the company forever?  -end quote

Does Stan Lee (or anybody who actually worked in the comic industry) have any creative input in the Marvel movies, though? I was under the impression that Kevin Feige (who is a film producer) was the main force behind the movies. The same is likely true of the DC films, though I have seen Geoff Johns (a comic book writer who has written a ton of DC Comics) credited in the movies. The question is, though, how much of a voice does he have? I think people who are actually involved in the comics may be used for consultation purposes for all of these movies, but film producers and directors have a much bigger voice than people who have actually worked in the comic industry. Marvel's movies just happen to have a better person filling that role of producer.

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I don't know of the creative influences, but it seems that those who are working on the MCU films have a much better understanding of the characters and how to translate them to film. Whether this is a result of the culture of the company, the studio talent being more aware and influenced by the source material, or some other reason... it shows in pretty much every way.

I could be wrong here, but just from trailers of upcoming DC projects, Shazam! looks like the closest thing to an MCU product that DC has worked on.

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Superman wrote :

I agree. I don't know that a lot of the DC movies that have been made so far have been made by people who are passionate about the characters as they are presented in the comics. They may be passionate about the characters as they've chosen to interpret them, but all too often those interpretations end up being not all that true to what fans of the comics love about the characters. The producers/directors seem more interested in putting their own spins on the characters than in adapting what was in the comics as is. Taking liberties is fine; the Marvel movies aren't perfect copies of the comics, either. The thing is that I think even the changes made to the MCU still feel in the spirit of what it is based on, while the DC movies feel more like they weren't made with the spirit of the characters in mind.

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Rick Ace Rhodes wrote :

shakin steak wrote :


I also agree, Superman. But that still doesn't explain why they don't understand their own characters enough to figure out that very basic info. It seems like they are just greedy and going for the cash, you can't make a good product that way. Especially in entertainment. Maybe it's because Stan Lee is still here and producing Marvel's stuff. Who does DC have working on movies, in the way of recognizable names that have been with the company forever?  -end quote

DC Comics has not had a good grasp on their characters for over a solid decade. Identity Crisis (despite being well received) was the beginning point in my eyes of when DC started losing sight of what made their stable of characters stand out compared to Marvel's. I think in a lot of ways they are just too focused on what Marvel is doing and is trying to replicate Marvel's "style" while ignoring their own.

And also, I have to say it because it needs to be said: the only reason The Dark Knight was so popular was because of Heath Ledger's death. If Ledger hadn't of died the film would not have been as successful or well-received as it was.

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echidna64 wrote :

jkatz wrote :


In what way was it overrated? It's great for Heath Ledger's acting alone. -end quote

I totally agree with you that it is "great for Heath Ledger's acting alone" but I don't think that it is one of the best movies ever made.

Mainly, I have issues with Bale's performance as Batman and the plot which goes sideways after Rachel Dawes is killed. The boat scene where the prisoners refuse to detonate the device is very groan worthy. Batman's echolocation device is also out of place.

The first half of The Dark Knight is awesome but I really dislike the ending, Joker just gets taken into custody and Batman takes the blame for Harvey's death. Batman is supposed to be the symbol of hope, the light in the darkness. 

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