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Vaporman87
Since Comic-Con came around, lots of new trailers have hit the internet. These two make me want to watch both films way more than their predecessors in the DC Universe:





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jkatz
Aquaman looks predictable and corny as hell (you can get the gist of the plot just from the trailer), but I'll be watching it anyway because it's a new take on the character. Maybe they finally did the impossible and finally made Aquaman cool!
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shakin steak
Shazam (the character formerly known as Captain Marvel) is one of the oldest classic superheroes, and I have always appreciated him. I would give his movie a chance, but it doesn't look great. 

I've never checked out Aquaman, so I don't know. But someone whose opinion I respect said making him, ruler of the oceans, into a radical surfer type, is not very fitting.

I don't know what DC's problem is. The Superman movies of the 70s and 80s are very good. The Batman movies of 89-early 90s, not really for me, but successful and The Animated Series inpired by them is excellent, so is Beyond and the Nolan trilogy which both followed. 

Since then? All of their movies and shows have been boring, in my opinion, except the Wonder Woman movie. As far as I'm concerned, Marvel has figured it out, and while I'm not into everything they do, they're getting on much better than DC. They had problems in the 70s and 80s. Not great stuff in those times in TV and movies, but that was a weak start. Now they are much better. DC, imo, had it and lost it. Why?
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Vaporman87
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DC, imo, had it and lost it. Why?
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I wish I knew. I think they tried too hard to push out these edgier, darker films (totally the opposite of the Marvel movies) and it rubbed audiences the wrong way. Then they started trying to play catch up with Marvel by tossing all their main characters into one movie, with hardly any introduction to the characters aside from mentions of them in the previous film. Everything they do feels like "Wait Marvel did that? Well we need that too! Quick... do something!"

They did beat Marvel to a female driven superhero film, but who cares? Nobody. I have a feeling that Captain Marvel will be far more interesting than Wonder Woman was. Everyone praises that movie for being so great... yet it's just the same old formula for a superhero film that we have seen for three decades. And the bad guy is absolutely generic and boring. That in itself costs a superhero flick two stars.
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echidna64
I'm optimistic about Aquaman because I'm a fan of James Wan. 

I was actually hoping he would have been the director of The Batman. Imagine a Batman movie from the director of Saw, Death Sentence, and the Conjuring? You could bet to see Ventriloquist show up in there somewhere! lol
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Rick Ace Rhodes
I gave up on the DC Cinematic Universe after Suicide Squad. There just trying too hard to compete with the Marvel Cinematic Universe and just aren't letting the films flow naturally like they should be.

Though to be fair, I think part of the reason why audiences have turned away isn't because of the films themselves. I think a lot of people are just in the "Disney Cult" so to speak. They'll bash anything that isn't Disney or perceived to be copying Disney (in this case the MCU) while praising anything that is Disney despite the flaws it may have. The last few MCU films haven't been that great, but people praise them anyway because they're just brainwashed to be Disney cultists.

I think we need to give the superhero genre a rest for awhile. Both Marvel and DC have milked this trend for all it's worth. It's getting tired.
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Vaporman87
There is probably some burnout taking place, but I myself am not. I'm one of those who is anxious for Marvel to take on other major stories that develop over the course of several films. My favorite being Secret Wars. I would really love to see the cinematic universe take of The Beyonder.

Perhaps have them delve deeper into the cosmic hierarchy... Galactus, The Living Tribunal, Eternity, etc. 
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I think the reason the DC movies went the darker, more serious route comes down to The Dark Knight. Think about it; it was a fairly dark and serious movie that was very critically acclaimed. It is arguably the most well received movie adaptation of any DC Comics character, and it easily was just as successful as some (most?) of Marvel's films. The problem is that the powers that be don't realize two things. One, there was some humor in even The Dark Knight, and two, that tone worked well for a Batman movie but doesn't fit well with every character, especially Superman.

And yeah, they pretty obviously tried too quickly to play catch up with Marvel instead of taking the time to develop each of their characters. I could see the logic of not needing a solo Batman movie before Justice League since Batman had already recently enough had his own trilogy, but the other characters absolutely should have been given their own solo films before a team-up movie was made.
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I think the reason the DC movies went the darker, more serious route comes down to The Dark Knight. Think about it; it was a fairly dark and serious movie that was very critically acclaimed. It is arguably the most well received movie adaptation of any DC Comics character, and it easily was just as successful as some (most?) of Marvel's films. The problem is that the powers that be don't realize two things. One, there was some humor in even The Dark Knight, and two, that tone worked well for a Batman movie but doesn't fit well with every character, especially Superman.

And yeah, they pretty obviously tried too quickly to play catch up with Marvel instead of taking the time to develop each of their characters. I could see the logic of not needing a solo Batman movie before Justice League since Batman had already recently enough had his own trilogy, but the other characters absolutely should have been given their own solo films before a team-up movie was made.
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I agree completely, they even tried to copy the TDK's color palette which works great for Batman but not so much for more colorful characters like Superman during broad daylight. The music is another example, Man of Steel used Hans Zimmer's blaring horns as well. 

The biggest sin of the DCEU thus far has been the writing. The plots in Batman V Superman, Suicide Squad, and Justice League were completely nonsensical. Not only that, but many times they also betrayed the character of heroes such as having Superman kill someone or not care about saving people.   
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shakin steak
I also agree, Superman. But that still doesn't explain why they don't understand their own characters enough to figure out that very basic info. It seems like they are just greedy and going for the cash, you can't make a good product that way. Especially in entertainment. Maybe it's because Stan Lee is still here and producing Marvel's stuff. Who does DC have working on movies, in the way of recognizable names that have been with the company forever? 
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I also agree, Superman. But that still doesn't explain why they don't understand their own characters enough to figure out that very basic info. It seems like they are just greedy and going for the cash, you can't make a good product that way. Especially in entertainment. Maybe it's because Stan Lee is still here and producing Marvel's stuff. Who does DC have working on movies, in the way of recognizable names that have been with the company forever? 
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Does Stan Lee (or anybody who actually worked in the comic industry) have any creative input in the Marvel movies, though? I was under the impression that Kevin Feige (who is a film producer) was the main force behind the movies. The same is likely true of the DC films, though I have seen Geoff Johns (a comic book writer who has written a ton of DC Comics) credited in the movies. The question is, though, how much of a voice does he have? I think people who are actually involved in the comics may be used for consultation purposes for all of these movies, but film producers and directors have a much bigger voice than people who have actually worked in the comic industry. Marvel's movies just happen to have a better person filling that role of producer.
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